Equality Think Tank # 4 – Freedom vs. Equality by kristinmarting
September 13, 2010, 2:13 pm
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  • Freedom vs. Equality

    Airport Security – free to travel – but to do that have to submit to checks, etc

    Is there too much freedom?  Tea party/libertarianism – “you can’t tell me what to do”

    Libertarianism vs. Anarchy – same?

    Protesters throwing rocks – personal freedom but not community

    Anarchy?  Definition – Exercising personal freedom brings everyone to the same point – not true?

    Doesn’t work – just as free market doesn’t work

    But people are inherently not equal- flawed, social reasons

    Role of government- to do something that individual would not

    Government- inefficient

    Freedom of expression – did it increase? personal liberty inalienable right

    Different countries- different ideas of freedom – concepts of what the word means

    When does one person’s experience of freedom hurt the community

    Freedom to push button – how far will we go to get freedom – hurt people, violence

    Nazi march in Illinois

    Kansas church group protesting at soldier’s funeral

    Evolutionary change of thought – uncomfortable

    Freedom can be taught.  When to open to other beliefs, when to hold your own

    American dream – self reliant?

    Personal freedom doesn’t work without tolerance

    Too much freedom = personal thing

    not enough

    Equality = social thing

    Supreme court is advertising freedom of speech

    Power is disciplinary

    By not having fear- are you more free….

    Or are police – actually scared by the gun policies

    Freedom for all – not possible

    We are not homogenous

    We are flawed

    Female in 70s far more free – changed her thought processes

    Is freedom possible without fear?

    Idea of freedom changes – people grow up with that changed environment

    Is the world moving toward greater freedom?  Not sure.

    Rediscovering fears they didn’t know they had

    Freedom in flux

    Resistance – single headed dragon

    Feel less free – more riots/against religious heads

    Student Demos

    Weather Underground

    Does violence turn us against them?

    Act without fear

    Communism/Socialism – Violence creates backlash

    Boom and bust freedom cycle?

    Violent revolution with mass support

    Civil rights movement parallel – celebrates freedom

    Culture leads to different views of freedom

    Equality is different in different cultures

    Christian beliefs – ready to fight

    Fight for freedom – with or without violence

    Passover – celebrate freedom – positive reaction to trauma

    Fear/oppression upon Obama’s election? Did he campaign for equality?

    Internet- macrocosm of freedom?  Fewer rules in the virtual world than the “real” world

Equality Think Tank # 4 – Equal Access – Is there still a public common? As for our parents. by kristinmarting
September 8, 2010, 2:28 pm
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Is there still a public common?  Equal education?

The public common is about sharing with others and having a responsibility to those around you

Our country used to think that we had to have equal access for the country to be strong

Now people are out for their own interests

America changed from a community to isolation and inequality

Common space, for instance public parks, fosters interactions

With reliance on automobile, we feel more isolated

Coney island, as an example, has the feeling of commonality that other places have lost

Factors that may make public space feel less natural are policing of public space (depending on the neighborhood) and that rules for public space trickle down from political sources

In Europe there is more of a sense of sharing- they’re used to it

There is somewhat of a contradictory feeling that our country is civilized which means we won’t have public access to things like health care

Individual families plan their lives around getting into the best educational services

Helicopter parents very concerned with children’s education, providing expensive tutoring

State and standardized tests require that all students are able to know certain things at a certain age

Metrics of bureaucrats establishing common standards are deadly- they put constraints on the imagination, creativity and turn children into themselves

There is politicized equality and “Equality Branding”

Does equality mean sameness?

We grow in different ways

Will not be equal output

Mythic equality

Obama used as example of equality in our country- perpetuating the idea that we have accomplished equality at the highest level

Equality and the American Dream- was that the not so fast learners can still have a place

Now the dream is that “I will be rich”

Idea of not having to work- lining the pockets of rich

Artist do not have access to money except through the rich and have to hold tongue about the disparity of rich and poor to have whatever access they do have

Have a right to be rich at others expense

How do we change?

Inform people of their access – children and parents have no support to know the opportunities out there

Commonality needs to stop thinking about rich people

Internationalism will foster commonality

Making decisions based on the common good- not easy to do- equal access to politicians and decision making process

Want Equal access to:



-Health Care

-Ocean- shoreline

-Environment free of advertisements


Think Tank # 4 – EQUALITY AUGUST 18th by kristinmarting
September 2, 2010, 4:49 pm
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On August 18th we gathered at the HERE Rehearsal Space and generated a list of topics in relation to Equality and how it fits into our concept of the American Dream.  The conversation allowed us to express our multiple perspectives on the meaning of Equality and how the idea translates to our every day lives.  Thank you to all who attended and the thoughts you shared.

Equality Think Tank Topics Generated:

-Equalizing Achievement From Different Starting Lines.

-Is Equality Really a US American tenant?  Isn’t the American dream about not being equal – about having more than others?  Are we talking about equality as equal opportunity at the starting gate or giving people the means to potentially attain equality at the “finish” line?   CAPITALISM!!??

-How do we determine when equality is reached?

-What is Equality?

-Equal Access – Is there still a public common?  As there was for our parents.

-Equality in terms of Education

-Equality of Heritage

-“It’s wrong that guy’s rich and I’m suffering”

-Equal opportunity and Equality before the law.  But the dark side of meritocracy is difference

-Enforced equality versus an Instinctual equality (Real)

-Is it OK to be different

-Separate but Equal

Equality by kristinmarting
August 16, 2010, 4:28 pm
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All the people like us are we. And everyone else is They.   –  Rudyard Kipling

Equality? by kristinmarting
August 12, 2010, 3:12 pm
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In America everybody is of the opinion that he has no social superiors, since all men are equal, but he does not admit that he has no social inferiors, for, from the time of Jefferson onward, the doctrine that all men are equal applies only upwards, not downwards. – Bertrand Russell

Solitude of Self by talyarden
July 28, 2010, 3:51 am
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words from Elizabeth Cady Stanton’s “Solitude of Self” (1984)

Words weighted and sized by occurrence in Elizabeth Cady Stanton’s powerful “Solitude of Self” presented to Congress in support of a woman’s right to vote.  It took another 28 years before enough wise white men of this nation were ready to agree and make it law. See:

Equal Opportunity by talyarden
July 28, 2010, 3:31 am
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Came across this smart, interesting, touching story

It shows how much we can accomplish as a nation when we value the concept of Universal Access as we did with the Americans with Disabilities Act signed by the 1st George Bush. Universal access refers to the ability of all people to have equal opportunity and access to a service or product from which they can benefit, regardless of their social class, ethnicity, ancestry or physical abilities. It is a vision, and is some cases a legal term, that spans many fields, including education, disability, telecommunications, and healthcare. It is tied strongly to the concept of human rights.

The 14th Amendment says “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

So here is my question.  Is it a privilege to live without threat of interrogation, without fear of intolerance, with the security of free expression.  Because I think those “privileges” are being abridged.  What about marrying who we want to?  What about the right to equal opportunity in education and healthcare?  It seems like the laws say we are not equal if we are being deprived of liberties and life because some states choose to apply different laws than others.  How does that make us equal under a constitution that applies to all of us.  I don’t get it.

Think Tank # 4 – Equality by kristinmarting
July 18, 2010, 2:51 pm
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Join us for our fourth of eight community THINK TANK sessions on Wednesday, August 18from 7pm -10pm which will delve into the concept of EQUALITY. These Think Tanks are open to the public and are a cross between Town Hall and Open Space format. We are looking to have a diverse group of folks at each event – we are looking for artists, alternative thinkers, educators, activists, social workers, HR, lawyers, parents, politicians and anyone else who is interested. Please come –  and if you know someone who fits this description and might enjoy this event, please forward.

Please note: this event will be held at HERE’s Rehearsal Space, 75 Varick at Canal Street. Please bring ID for entry into building.

If you would like to attend, please email to rsvp.